| **THIS IS JUST A PEACEFUL DISCUSSION IM ASKING FOR, NO ATTACKING PEOPLE'S RELIGION OR BELIEFS OR ANY DUMBASS FLAME WARS PLEASE. JUST TO THE TOPIC AT HAND** Now I for one am a Muslim and have 0 doubts and believe in my religion 100% but, sometimes I think, what if? What if this was all man made? What if I was following a lie all this time and their is no God? -People starving all over the world -Bullying -Diseases -Terrorism -Women and children and even men getting raped and killed from people from all backgrounds and beliefs -War everywhere you turn -The corrupt people you meet leads you to have a hard time in trusting people The world just seems like its getting worse n worse every day that it makes me question it sometimes. I do snap out of it of course and come back to reality (or my reality at least) and realise theirs nothing wrong with it and that life is all a test so of course he won't step in, not directly at least anyway. Has anyone else felt that way? Have you ever doubted it so much that you just dropped it altogether? Or even temporarily? |
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| there is no god and especially no god who supports a pedophile mass murderer |
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| Yes, when I was 7 years old, I promptly dropped said religion. |
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| It's nonsense. Disease is a test is it? What's the lesson we're supposed to learn from it? It's been heard before. God is just like a lovely parent letting a kid fall and graze it's knee so it learns it's lesson. In reality that's actually being born with cancer, or not even surviving birth. |
Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
| Asking people to respect other peoples religion good luck with that one here my friend. I don't question my religion because I don't really have one. I didn't come to believe in God through religion so I don't believe God is totally connected to religion. I believe that human belief concentrated anywhere can make us feel closer to God. The power of belief is powerful so I see why religion is connected with God based around it. I personally think God exists but doesn't subscribe to one way of thinking, no religion gets it totally right. I think God only wants us to believe beyond that is up to interpretation and interpretations on specifics can be wrong. Rather not risk it. I don't feel humans are qualified to decide what a God wants or doesn't want. So I just assume everything is as its meant to be because a God wouldn't make mistakes. So I wouldn't say Ive had much doubts since I can see how someone could have doubts about their religion though a lot of it is conflicting. |
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| @Spooks While I kinda respect your stance on the subject (it has the merit of not giving any credit to organized religion), "everything is at it's meant to be because a God wouldn't make mistake" implies that ISIS or anyone else who feels entitled to "decide what a God wants or doesn't want" are necessary/a planned part of his creation. I think it's a really fatalistic and unsatisfactory explanation... |
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Masked_Mantis said: It's nonsense. Disease is a test is it? What's the lesson we're supposed to learn from it? It's been heard before. God is just like a lovely parent letting a kid fall and graze it's knee so it learns it's lesson. In reality that's actually being born with cancer, or not even surviving birth. I guess I kinda worded it wrong but these diseases are killing people like Cancer which is a collection if diseases and there is a LOT of cancer these days. Makes me wonder why god won't do suttin about it or what's causing it to infect us in the 1st place. Spooks said: Asking people to respect other peoples religion good luck with that one here my friend. I don't question my religion because I don't really have one. I didn't come to believe in God through religion so I don't believe God is totally connected to religion. I believe that human belief concentrated anywhere can make us feel closer to God. The power of belief is powerful so I see why religion is connected with God based around it. I personally think God exists but doesn't subscribe to one way of thinking, no religion gets it totally right. I think God only wants us to believe beyond that is up to interpretation and interpretations on specifics can be wrong. Rather not risk it. I don't feel humans are qualified to decide what a God wants or doesn't want. So I just assume everything is as its meant to be because a God wouldn't make mistakes. So I wouldn't say Ive had much doubts since I can see how someone could have doubts about their religion though a lot of it is conflicting. Yb lol I realised after creating it that the flame wars are gonna erupt regardless lol I think your the 1st person I met that believes in God but has no religion. Religion can be confusing but thats only if you read too much into it and take it all so literally. It requires some thinking and common sense. I personally like to stick to the basics and basic message and thats that. What makes you believe in God despite having no religion? I'm curious lol |
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daAmazinFatB0y said: I guess I kinda worded it wrong but these diseases are killing people like Cancer which is a collection if diseases and there is a LOT of cancer these days. Makes me wonder why god won't do suttin about it or what's causing it to infect us in the 1st place. Cancers are just mutant cells. Defect in DNA are more likely to happen when you get old, and people are getting older. It's not a divine punishment. Living things are bound to die one day or another, I don't think you should look for a meaning to it. Rocks can't have cancer, or die, but their existence isn't very interesting, at least from a living being's point of view. |
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FattyBimbo said: No, I haven't. That may be due to the fact I got to the Church of Penis. Can I join? If yes, how? Ryrutt6te7tfgcgfft68bfdhgch fkn limit |
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Clebardman said: daAmazinFatB0y said: I guess I kinda worded it wrong but these diseases are killing people like Cancer which is a collection if diseases and there is a LOT of cancer these days. Makes me wonder why god won't do suttin about it or what's causing it to infect us in the 1st place. Cancers are just mutant cells. Defect in DNA are more likely to happen when you get old, and people are getting older. It's not a divine punishment. Living things are bound to die one day or another, I don't think you should look for a meaning to it. Rocks can't have cancer, or die, but their existence isn't very interesting, at least from a living being's point of view. Never looked at it as divine punishment. I always looked at rocks as something that was just there lol or was apart of something but broke off like a mountain or some pathway for us to walk on or something lol |
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Clebardman said: implies that ISIS or anyone else who feels entitled to "decide what a God wants or doesn't want" are necessary/a planned part of his creation. I think it's a really fatalistic and unsatisfactory explanation... Well I didn't say I subscribed the righteous God idea of some religions. I think Gods more like a biologist sure he creates life, the environment on which it thrives but he must also understand that life is good and bad. I don't believe God created a universal Good and evil, do good get rewarded scheme. I think its more a cold approach to understanding that for life to move forward it needs to be diverse in life and death. Everyone blames God for their struggles and bad situations but thats life, if we look at it as a whole we're still existing we get to live life, we're not none existent but to do that you have to live by life's rules and life can be hard, have bad situations and be unfair. I imagine God would hope that as a species we will understand that enduring hardships is part of been a living organism like all animals you get to live but you might also get eaten by a lion. I think Gods like a viking father, he wants his pussy kid to grow up in a tough environment and reality to become strong to be worthy. If humanity is supposed to be the chosen children of a God then surely he wants something to be proud of, the universe is a dangerous place if we can't handle that we have no hope of surpassing expectations. You don't raise your future heir in a safe space it raises a weak race. Like when people blame god for war and famine. Maybe just maybe hes waiting for us to stop whining about hardship and sort it out ourselves. I never understood "God helps those who help themselves" until I figured that. I don't know I could be totally wrong that just my feelings on the idea of God. Reason I just subscribe to the idea that God doesn't make mistakes is because what God can make errors? People are like God hates homosexual! but he made them that way? shouldn't follow a God that has to make his own people hate something he made in the first place because he "fucked up" nah I just have to assume everything is made the way it is good and bad, circle of life such and such. Take the good with the bad cause thats life. Its not like I think God purposfully gives people disease or anything to test them. I think he just made the playground of life and what was needed. Life needs germs, it needs plants, it needs animals who eat other animals, it needs weather ect life needs these things to continue on earth. A perfect environment wouldn't work even with like "space magic" I think even God works by rules. Basically I think God is ultimately pragmatic and objective step back scientist. I don't think he cares about sex before marriage, life or death of individuals, don't do drugs kids or whatever religions tell people to do or not do. Only the bigger picture of the race as a whole. Making the best of individual life in this world is up to us, not him. |
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| @daAmazingFatB0y It's just nature, sometimes it can only be genetics causing these things, needing injections straight away to stop things like meningitus. People were dying to these things centuries ago too. But then you get things like tumors and there's no real answer to give in religion. It's not the same as a parent protecting a child by letting it learn by mistakes. Nor is it the same as a viking father spooks!! Sorry I can't handle cancer dad! there's just no cure yet. |
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Trance said: I'm a guy and I can imagine buttfucking another guy. I don't find the thought repulsive, and I can even imagine kissing another man. |
Masked_Mantis said: @daAmazingFatB0y It's just nature, sometimes it can only be genetics causing these things, needing injections straight away to stop things like meningitus. But then yo get things like tumors and there's no real answer to give in religion. It's not the same as a parent protecting a child by letting it learn by mistakes. True, very true. Pointless character limit |
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daAmazinFatB0y said: Yb lol I realised after creating it that the flame wars are gonna erupt regardless lol I think your the 1st person I met that believes in God but has no religion. Religion can be confusing but thats only if you read too much into it and take it all so literally. It requires some thinking and common sense. I personally like to stick to the basics and basic message and thats that. What makes you believe in God despite having no religion? I'm curious lol I think its called been a deist but im not much for labeling things. I think religion is just mans need to fill in the gaps. Like we have a single piece of a jigsaw and it has a tiny portion of a picture maybe thats a feeling that God exists and instead of just accepting the one piece we do have we attempted to fill in the missing picture by making up what we think God wants by drawing a whole picture from a single piece but its all just interpretations of different cultures. Like a group seeing an image in a cloud they're defiantly looking at the same cloud but all see something different. When in reality the only truth is that its a cloud. As for what makes me believe in God without religion I don't know. I didn't believe for long enough then I did, as if discovering a truth from within as if every fiber of me knew or like opening up to a sense of undercurrent of the universe you never new existed. I used to think belief was decision based but its really more feeling visceral based. I have no evidence so I don't expect people to believe me too but its not like I can just pretend I don't believe inside my core either even if I can't explain it I have been made to believe for some reason. Trying to deny it even though I could having been an atheist for long enough I could explain it away various ways but I wouldn't be honest, trying to tell myself I don't believe theres a God now would be like telling myself my hair isn't brunette when I can clearly see it is. Its like: Its like I really was magically cursed. Luckily my belief isn't invasive or anything so its just something about me now. Hasn't exactly changed me too much. Might have if I would have suddenly become religious because I'd suddenly have to buy into all those rules instead of just acknowledging to myself that God exists but beyond that nothings really changed. The universe still carries on like normal just my views on how it was made were changed. I still know its run on matter and biology not space magic, just that God is probably a being with far outstripping power and knowledge of the universe than us. We're already able to figure out that we can manipulate atoms the building blocks of things into shapes and we're barely mentally evolved right now. Not hard leap to think theres a being out there thats far older and has knowledge of how to form matter and life from the building blocks that are plentiful everywhere. Advanced science is no different than magic. but im just a human, expecting myself to be able to explain everything in the universe as it stands now from down here on earth would be greatly over-estimating my knowledge of the universe. So I just go along with it. The universe and life is too strange for me to categorize and explain away. All we normies can do is decide what we personally believe in and live it. I mean I was the biggest anti God person out there so strange things do happen. This kind of sums up my feelings a little better |
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| What I don't understand is, if God is real. Than why would he allow all this fucked up shit to go on in the world. Even if God is real, I still wouldn't follow him. Because he could do something about all the evil in the world, and hasn't done jack shit. |
Spooks said: Asking people to respect other peoples religion good luck with that one here my friend. I don't question my religion because I don't really have one. I didn't come to believe in God through religion so I don't believe God is totally connected to religion. I believe that human belief concentrated anywhere can make us feel closer to God. The power of belief is powerful so I see why religion is connected with God based around it. I personally think God exists but doesn't subscribe to one way of thinking, no religion gets it totally right. I think God only wants us to believe beyond that is up to interpretation and interpretations on specifics can be wrong. Rather not risk it. I don't feel humans are qualified to decide what a God wants or doesn't want. So I just assume everything is as its meant to be because a God wouldn't make mistakes. If you don't think childhood leukaemia is a mistake then you are quite frankly a fucked up individual. |
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| I believe in god but I also believe we are in the Matrix. |
| Well I don't have a religion, but I don't have any doubts about my lack of belief. Life is a lot more interesting when you think about how it came to be naturally, instead of attributing it all to some magical being. |
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| I don't believe in god but I don't understand why people can't respect others who believe in god? I see way to many comments with people saying that god is not real.. Just let people believe in whatever they want. |
| I used to be Christian but I started learning about science and though that evolution made more since than a bunch of complex creatures suddenly coming about because some guy spoke it and I also though about all of the wars that had happened, people starving in the world, the holocaust, 9/11 etc. I because Atheist and quit praying, I didn't notice any difference at all. Also most atihest kids I met in school were nicer than the religious ones. I don't have a problem with religion (as long as it's not being forced on someone, making people discriminate or interfering with politics) and I don't have a problem with religious people. |
| As a Christian, yeah. I mean, it can be discouraging when I hear atheists talk about why they think there is no God and can sometimes make those who do believe look like brainless idiots. As well as other stuff. But getting to know people who were druggies, alcoholics, involved in criminal activity, even atheists, who at one point in their life decided to call out to some God to get them out of the lowest point their life, and while not perfect, have completely turned their life around because of said God. It's enough to lose any doubts. Especially when my dad was an atheist and drug addict who hated God and religion. And yet he turned to Christianity, and while his life transformation was not instant, he began to turn away from those things and lived a fulfilling life. Stuff like that gives me the belief that no matter what, I'll still have strong faith. Doubts are natural. |
| I don't have a religion to doubt. I tend to question everything and form my own deductions from things which are constantly evolving. sometimes I think, what if? What if this was all man made? What if I was following a lie all this time and their is no God? Those sound like doubts. Macewindexx said: I don't believe organized religion, but i do believe the christian God. And i always believed and still do believe he exist. What? That's a contradiction. Just say you're monotheist then. It cant be the Abrahamic God if you don't believe in Christianity, Judaism, or Islam. |
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daAmazinFatB0y said: **THIS IS JUST A PEACEFUL DISCUSSION IM ASKING FOR, NO ATTACKING PEOPLE'S RELIGION OR BELIEFS OR ANY DUMBASS FLAME WARS PLEASE. JUST TO THE TOPIC AT HAND** Now I for one am a Muslim and have 0 doubts and believe in my religion 100% but, If you had no doubts, you wouldn't have made this thread. We're very similar you know, I grew up in an extremely Christian household and leaving Christianity was one of the most difficult things I've ever done. But sometimes you have to realize that the love your religious family gives you, the lifetime of indoctrination all makes it very difficult to leave a religion. No one wants to believe that a huge portion of their life has been based on a lie. No one wants to believe that the justification of their morality has all been made of lies. But sometime, we have to wake up and realize that following a book from the dark ages, filled with violence you expect from that time, filled with stories that completely contradict evidence from evolution, filled with an 'All-poweful god' that makes his people weak and prone to do evil and then gets angry at them and punishes them for all eternity doesn't make any sense at all. |
| I don't know who doesn't go into hypotheticals at some points like you're talking about. I've never felt 100 percent on me being correct as that would be dumb. There is no evidence either way. That being said i decided to go with being an atheist. So i would need to have my doubts about nonreligion. Firstly, religion in general i don't think of that often. I don't believe something exists until proof, but can't rule out it's existence. I can't say i feel doubt when accepting the uncertainty and making a valid assumption from that. But uncertainty is literally in the definition of doubt. So it's there i guess i just don't feel it. |
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| I don't doubt my own religion, but I respect others' as well. Is that a bad thing? |
| I'm a Catholic (though not as devout as my family raised me to be; I sometimes miss church on Sundays but I always do my nightly prayers before bed though xD) and I believe in God. Do I have doubts in my religion? Yes. I think this is normal especially when the beliefs taught to us by our religion somehow conflict with "real world" facts (such as science or other goings-on in the world like what you listed). But then again even if there are those contradictions, it never really particularly bothered/affected me. I suppose I'm just not as passionate about it as to care for an explanation on all the "questionable" details. That's just me though. So I never questioned my religion or thought about dropping it whether temporary or permanent. |
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| I've been affiliated with two religions in my life, Christianity and Buddhism. I dropped both of them by the time i was 12 or 13. I just don't see the point in religion anymore. It makes no difference in my life if I have it or not. I'm not judging if someone else finds comfort in it, I just want no part in it. Edit: I'm not atheist though. I am agnostic and I believe there is a higher power out there, but with so many religions in the world I don't want to bow my head to one that may not be true and make an ass of myself when I die. Whatever though, as long as I'm a good person in my life I don't see why any god would be so panicked if I did or didn't worship them when I was still alive... |
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raenydays said: I'm a Catholic (though not as devout as my family raised me to be; I sometimes miss church on Sundays but I always do my nightly prayers before bed though xD) and I believe in God. Do I have doubts in my religion? Yes. I think this is normal especially when the beliefs taught to us by our religion somehow conflict with "real world" facts (such as science or other goings-on in the world like what you listed). But then again even if there are those contradictions, it never really particularly bothered/affected me. I suppose I'm just not as passionate about it as to care for an explanation on all the "questionable" details. That's just me though. So I never questioned my religion or thought about dropping it whether temporary or permanent. Same Catholic here, I don't question my religion but I do think about the afher life. Like is it just going to be nothing blank space? like a sleep but with no dreams? Is that it? No after life or reincarnation? I think about my own mortality and it kinda scares me. |
| There is nothing to doubt in since I don't have a religion in the first place |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
BeBackinaSec said: I don't doubt my own religion, but I respect others' as well. Is that a bad thing? That's how is should be actually. Respect other people's belief even if its against your own. |
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| My belief is gradually becoming weaker and weaker, so yes |
-Senpai- said: No, I will always believe that @NasalShark is my god. Okay I said it, can you put the gun down already? Your god!? You should have said the only god. As a punishment you will write "@NasalShark is true and righteous" a thousand times in your own blood. Spread the word. |
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